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Originally Published 3 months ago Shogun vs Machida Complete Judges ScoreCards revealed
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Nelson Hamilton (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Rua 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Machida 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Cecil Peoples (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Machida 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound:
Nelson Hamilton (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Rua 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Machida 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Cecil Peoples (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Machida 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Rua 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Marcos Rosales (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Machida 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Rua 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Nelson Hamilton (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Rua 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Machida 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Cecil Peoples (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Machida 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Rua 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
Marcos Rosales (Machida 48-47):
1stRound: Machida 10-9
2ndRound: Machida 10-9
3rdRound: Machida 10-9
4thRound: Rua 10-9
5thRound: Rua 10-9
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Win
I believe Machida won due to the continuous blocking of Shoguns hits. Joe Rogan kept saying a hit here and there but if you look at most of them, they were blocked. Joe Rogan is a Shogun fan due to the obsessive hailing to Shogun in his commentary. I can see why Machida prevailed over Shogun.
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machida won get over it
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ARE you Serious!!!
WHy do Boxing Judges Score MMA Fights???
shouldn't Neutral MMA Practitioners Score???
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Finish the fight
Theirs only ever two honest ways to win in mma tap out or KO. Every one knows in the mma world or any sport similar you never leave to the judges to decide a winner. Make sure you finish a fight so you dont have to risk it. Ask any MMA fighter and theyll tell you the same thing finish the fight. Rua was seriously unlucky and i think if machida had been on the canvis stunned for that split second rua would have this one. But he didnt and well were gona get a second match with these two and i dont think rua will want or need a second chance
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honestly for you man you can see injured bones brocken face smashed Machida after the laast fight
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machida is injured after the fight i mean he is smashed
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Didn't know they allowed the blind to ref fights.
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None of this ''you have to clearly beat the champion'' bullshit
I am a fan of both fighters, none of them my favourite (Chuck is :D), but i scored as follows:
Rd 1: 10-9 Rua
Rd 2: 10-9 Rua
Rd 3: 10-9 Machida
Rd 4: 10-9 Rua
Rd 4: 10-9 Rua
Now, although that scoring may look very one sided and a bit bias, rounds 1 and 2 were practically unpickable because of how tight they were but i would have still edged them very slightly to shogun.
Aside from my opinion of the fight however i think people saying that the decision was just because ''you have to BEAT the champion to BE the champion'' as if shogun didnt actually beat him is just plain stupid :S i mean sure he didnt dominate lyoto but he won that fight hands down and imo its ****ing stupid people can argue that he didnt ''beat him well enough'', at the end of the day if you win the fight then you win the fight regardless of how close or dominating your performance was and that should not be changed under any circumstances, even for the title.
As for you people saying that if shogun wanted the title then he should have ended the fight... go and have a wank or something because you obviously dont have a ****ing clue what your talking about, if a fighter could just simply CHOOSE to end a fight then how the **** would they ever lose?
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you win the belt when?
never lost belt for 3-2 on decision, KO TKO o or sumbmission or majority decision.
Machida wins, need rematch inmediatly.
my inglish is a shit sorry.
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I think we've seen so far a very skilled but calm machida after every 1 booed him i think were gonna see an angry machida with something to prove.. i got machida to knock him out on the rematch... Shogun IMO did win tho but it sure was very close..
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^^Click weak please..
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^^ Same
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Anybody telling me to "Click Sharp" for any reason usually gets a "weak" click.
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Machida vs Shogun
Wow I scored first three rounds for Machida,it was distacting hearing Joe Rogan undress Rua the whole time but seriously everytime they exchanged he never mentioned Machida "Huge Knee by Shogun!"At the same time Machida had hit him with no praise it was biased.Can't wait for the rematch it should be even better.
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hey shogun def won that fight!!! as for the person who said u cant take someones title by just out pointing them and using leg kicks, i say to him u mate are a moron. how do u think forrest griffin beat rampage jackson (out pointed him coz of leg kicks). shogun did a similar thing to machida . everyone knows shogun won the fight i dont know what happened with the judges .
click "sharp" if u think shogun won the fight!!
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In the end it was Machida who left the Octagon battered and bruised. Rest assured that Lyoto will be icing the bulk of his body for a large chunk of tomorrow, while Shogun will be icing his shins more than anything else.
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Shogun landed some kicks but thats because kicks are the fastest and least telegraphed strike.
Wrong Gucci, kicks are far slower than punches. Still, great comment overall.
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This fight made me angry. After watching it the first time I was convinced that Rua got robbed and I am a Machida fan. Then I watched it a second time like a judge and counted strikes landed. It was very close but Machida did out point Rua and Rua couldn't stop Machida. I actually had round four as a draw, but either way Machida wins. I do however think that Rua should get the next fight with Machida and that he could win. That being said he is leaving this fight knowing that he can beat Machida and probably won't change his training. Machida on the other hand should be coming off of this feeling that he has some weaknesses that need addressing and should change some things to correct them. If Machida is smart we will see a much improved Dragon in his next fight.
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judges scored it right. people are just falling into the dana white wanting a rematch to make more money so lets hype this up bigger than ever and have the best rematch in history......
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so im the only one that thinks the judges were right
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If you look at the footage again, you'll see an elated Machida brought down by the unfair reaction of the crowd. He wasn't expecting to be booed. Look at the footage, he was happy as shit until the crowd UNJUSTLY turned on the champ. I feel awful for the guy; he put up a hell of a fight against a well conditioned fighter. The fight was extremely close and he got booed like he didn't deserve to win. I conceded: the decision could've gone to Rua, but Lyoto won. People just build you up to see you fall...and Lyoto didn't. We love you champ :)
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Kevin Lole article on the unfair reaction over Machida decision
I’ve watched the replay of the Lyoto Machida-Mauricio “Shogun” Rua fight for the Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight title four times since seeing it live Saturday at UFC 104 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
I saw it twice on the computer and twice on the 60-inch plasma. I saw it twice with the sound on, listening to the commentary of announcers Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan, and I’ve seen it twice with the sound off.
And each time I’ve seen it, I’ve come to the same conclusion: This was an excruciatingly close fight that either man could have won.
Judges Nelson Hamilton, Cecil Peoples and Marcos Rosales gave Machida a unanimous decision, each scoring it 48-47. The difference in the fight is how Rounds 1 and 4 were scored.
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Rosales and Peoples gave Machida the first round, while Hamilton gave it to Rua. And they gave the fourth round to Rua, while Hamilton gave that one to Machida. All three agreed that Machida won Rounds 2 and 3 and Rua took Round 5.
I gave Rua Rounds 1, 4 and 5 and Machida Rounds 2 and 3. And while nothing I’ve seen in watching the replay over and over has convinced me to change my verdict, I’m also perplexed by the outrage over the verdict.
There have been a lot of decisions a lot worse than this one that haven’t gotten a 10th of the reaction.
UFC president Dana White, who said he gave Rounds 2 and 3 to Machida and 4 and 5 to Rua, felt Rua won despite saying the first round was too close to call. He wants to make a rematch as quickly as possible, but it’s unlikely they’ll be able to meet until late winter/early spring.
Machida was given a medical suspension after the fight from the California State Athletic Commission, banning him from having contact in training for 60 days. That means he won’t be able to begin training in earnest until Christmas Eve.
He could fight earlier if he is cleared by a doctor, but if not, it makes March look like the most likely month.
If a doctor doesn’t waive the 60-day no-contact suspension and Machida took an eight-week training camp starting on Dec. 24, he wouldn’t be prepared to fight until late February. The UFC could make Machida-Rua II the main event of the planned show on Feb. 21 in Sydney, Australia, but a more likely scenario is the fight will be pushed back until March or later unless he requests and receives permission from a commission doctor to fight sooner.
I’ll get to a mailbag filled with questions and comments on the Machida-Rua bout as well as Brock Lesnar’s decision to postpone his heavyweight title fight with Shane Carwin until sometime early next year because of the flu. But before I do, I ask that you follow me on Twitter And with that, let’s get to the mailbag:
MACHIDA-RUA THOUGHTS
Amazing fight with Machida and Shogun. I loved the technical battle between the fighters. The five-round battle was amazing. I know there is controversy regarding the outcome, but after watching the fight three times, I would give Rounds 1, 2 and 3 to Machida and Rounds 4 and 5 to Shogun. The first three rounds were very close, so it could have gone either way. I’m tired of the outrage from the media saying Shogun destroyed Machida etc. I’m a true fan of both of these fighters and couldn’t have asked for a better fight.
Brian
San Jose, Calif.
Anyone who thinks Shogun “destroyed” Machida is kidding themselves. I accept anyone who thinks Shogun won, as I did, and I have no argument with anyone who believes Machida deserved the decision. In close fights, there is plenty to debate. And this was as close a fight as one can get.
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In your column about the fight, you say that “Fans, who are distracted by other things, tend to look away from the action for a split second or two several times in a fight, whether it be to talk to a friend, grab a snack or gesticulate after a big blow.” I think you are thinking of sports fans (baseball, for example) and not MMA fans in the seats. I think fans react differently in an MMA fight versus other sporting events. I agree that at maybe a baseball game if there were a big play (like a home run) people would celebrate/gesture without missing much action since there is naturally a pause in the game. However, at least for me, when a big blow lands at a MMA event, people jump to their feet and pay more attention to the fight. In MMA big blows don’t end things and are often followed up with fight-ending action, so people tend to focus more to see where things go. Also, you are assuming that everyone in the stands are doing these things at the exact same times and doing them so often within a 25-minute fight that they are missing a lot of things.
Mark
Los Angeles
Mark, I’ve covered fights, both boxing and MMA, for well over 20 years. And I can tell you that it’s been my experience that fans (and the media, frequently) don’t pay attention and don’t maintain the same concentration that judges do. And in a fight like Machida-Rua, in which the margin is so narrow, looking away even once in a round could be enough to change the way one sees it.
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Your point about Rua not pressing the action in the last two rounds being the fault of his corner is moot because he won the fourth round on two of the three judges’ cards and took the fifth on all three. So, he won those rounds anyway. Each round is its own entity and is scored based on the action those rounds and in the last two rounds Rua won. If the fight was scored on the overall fight (like in PRIDE) Shogun would have won the fight. So you can make up some line about it being the corner’s fault for misleading Shogun, but the truth is the judges were wrong.
David G.
Wisconsin
David, I think Rua could have stopped Machida in the fifth round had he pressed the action. He won the round, but he conceded he didn’t push because he thought he was ahead. Had he done so, he may have gotten the stoppage. As for scoring the overall fight, here is the problem: That type of system almost always favors the fighter who is performing better at the end. And that’s not fair. In the NFL, the games a team wins in September count as much toward its playoff position as do the wins it posts in December. But if we score the overall fight, the fighter at the end is going to get too much of a benefit.
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On behalf of every combat sports official in the world, I offer you a heartfelt thank you for your recent article, “Shogun has no one to blame but himself.” In my officials clinics, I always express that, “There are only three people in the room who 100 percent of the time are committing 100 percent of their energy and focus to evaluating the relative effectiveness of each fighter according to the established criteria … (and) everyone else has other agendas.” In this case we’re talking about three of the most experienced officials in the sport, who delivered a unanimous decision. If there is room for criticism, we should target an ineffective scoring system that forces judges to reward fighters equally for unequal performances.
Cory Schafer, ISKA President
Gainesville, Fla.
I believe one thing that should be changed with the 10-point must system is that judges should be encouraged, not discouraged, to score more 10-10 rounds and to also score more 10-8 and 10-7 rounds. That is a way of differentiating between a round in which the margin between them is very slim and rounds in which one man clearly is superior.
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I just wanted to say I liked your article about the Machida-Rua match. I don’t usually agree with a lot of the articles you write, but I believe you were spot on in this one. Rua should be furious with his corner right now. He was not pressing the action enough due to the fact that his corner kept telling him he was winning the fight. What they should have been telling him is “You can win this fight if you keep pressing the action!” I believe it is possible to retain one’s title by “playing it safe,” but it is not always possible for a challenger to take a title by “playing it safe.”
Joshua Dolan
Longmont, Colo.
The benefit the champion gets in a fight is that he/she retains the title with a draw. That’s it. But had Shogun pushed in the fifth round, I believe he would have stopped Lyoto and won the championship.
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FFUUCCKK U AND .SHOGUN
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cash under the table
the ufc should be investigated for paying off the judges under the table. cecil has had conections with the ufc since the mid 90s. we have seen this false score cards before.. i know he works for the athletic comm but is cash being handed around?
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I totally agree with the judges. Machida won that fight.
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Machida was running more than he's ran in a while. I guess Shogun should have laced up his running Adidas.
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i dont think machida feel like a cham right now .... will robably train harder and change a little bit his style
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My thoughts
I think a lot of ppl were expecting lyoto to put an outstanding performance and since it wasn't the most exciting fight, ppl start to question his skills. Ppl need to remember that this fight was lyoto's toughest test and this fight could've gone either way. This fight was about two fighters with two different styles. Both came out attacking. Shogun landed some kicks but thats because kicks are the fastest and least telegraphed strike. Whereas lyoto was able to use punches and land some on shogun's head. Lyoto was also able to dodge some of Shogun's strikes. Therefore, i believe Lyoto won the decision as a fighter but he didnt win how ppl wanted him to win by.
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A champion isn't the one limping to get his hand raised with his head down.
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Machida....all the way! Rua,fight like a she-male.
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machida knows he lost against rua..
he face says it all..
even when he was getting kick or punch he was shocked that someone hit him
karte is all about honor..right..if machida had honor he would gave the belt to rua..that to me would be a true champion to accept his defeat..
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Machida deserve to retain his belt, a couple of kick to the low section doesn't cause him to lose his belt, these judge are professional,and they're doing the right thing by judge them the professional way.
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Machida Shogun 2 electric boogaloo should be a better fight... the judging should be better now that this has been addresed.... they should have gave the fight to shogun but at the least called the fight a draw and still had the rematch
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Machida should wear a skirt and running shoes next time he fights. Im sorry, no im not, but anyways Machida is a boring ass fighter and I dont pay to see someone run. I want to see a ****ing war not a game of tag.
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machida is not the champ. what the **** is up with those judges, are all of them ****ing retarded! shogun controlled the ring and did more damage. how and the ****!
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THE TRUTH
Listen Up... Everyone thought that Rua won the fight beacause that's what they wanted to see, not because he really did. Machida did a super job at avoiding damage from Rua, and Attacked as much as Rua. Now, i got to say that it was a very Even fight, but I agree with the judges score card that lyoto had to win the fight for the simple fact that he was more versitile, and used knees, clinche, punches, and kicks. All Rua used was kicks and the few punches he threw didn't land.
CONCLUSION: Machida and Rua had equal attack, but Machida was more versitile, and that's what won him the fight. people can call machida a runaway bride but he's doing the smart thing, avoiding damage and atacking with versitility.
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guy above. shogun landed about double the amount of strikes that machida did. aslo machida dazed shogun once and didnt capitalise on it. shogun charged machida many times and machida practicaly ran every time he did and thats the only reason shogun didnt finish the fight. either way machida did not win that fight no way..
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I had lyoto winning despite the leg kicks. Leg kicks do not take away the champions belt, thats the most important thing to realize here. True machida took many kicks, but he also avoided alot and stuffed almost every single power attack rua threw. Machida backed shogun up and dazed him many times landing very effective strikes. Machida by no means LOST that fight, it was just kind of a dud. Thats why he still has the belt, and rightly so.
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biggest load of bullshit ive ever saw machida won 1 ****ing round wtf is going on here man... this judging HAS GOT TO STOP! there must be another way of deciding the winner of a fight coz this ****ing crap has gone on for too long its not professional.
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Machida had swine flu during the fight and still whooped his ass. He continues to show hes the greatest fighter in the history of the world.
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We have seen this so may times in BOXING!!!!
Dont leave it up to judges.
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Ya, welcome to the Machida era...if this is how it begins i dont want any part of it. Dont be surprised if im watching Dancing with the Stars come time for the next UFC. After the fight i threw a half can of beer at my T.V. Machida you owe me a new flatscreen sucka!!!
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****ING MACHIDA ALWAYS say TO BE THE CHAMPION YOU MUST DEFEND YOUR ****ING TITLE; AND CLEARLY HE WASNT ABLE TO DEFEND IT AGAINST SHOGUN.. SO WE MUST SAY THERE IS A NEW LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION IN THE EYES AND HEART OF MMA WORLD
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To be fair when you watch the fight without the commentary it does seem a lot closer than a clear Shogun win but f**k it,who cares,hes won now and thats it,its all about the rematch now.After all this controversey their both gunna have to bring it hard and go on the offense and someones got to finish the fight,theres no need for any judges in the rematch coz this 1 will get ended,and when you think about it that makes for a much more exciting fight.
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I had it scored the exact same way that Peoples did.
Listen, if you're going to take someone's title, you have to actual "Beat" them, not try to outpoint them with leg kicks.
Granted, Machida didn't do too much either, but he was Never in trouble and he landed the more effective strikes, especially with his hands. He also stuffed every take down attempt with ease.
Bottom line: It really wasn't a very exciting fight. Look at the proof, it was a 5 round Championship fight, and wasn't even declared "Fight of the Night."
SO I GUESS RAMPAGE JACKSON IS STILL THE REAL CHAMPION WITH THIS NON SENSE YOU SPEAK
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I also think that this was an eye opener for a lot of other fighters on how to neutralize Machidas game. It didnt seem like he knew what to do with all of those leg kicks. To his credit, I think a lesser fighter would of crumbled under that punishment.
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Wasnt Shogun delivering a kick each time he got hit though? I didnt see Machida counter nearly as much as Shogun. I also didnt see Machida pushing Shogun against the cage. I dont think one should retain the belt for just surviving a fight.
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A lot of you people are being bias and don't know it. For people who say Rua won the first round are crazy. Machida landed more strikes, won the clinch by landing 6 knees to Shoguns 2, and he scuffed 2 takedown attempts. Just because Machida backs up a lot does not mean he should lose the fight. He has been doing this every fight and only now have people started to complain. Liddell used to do the exact same thing and nobody ever complained. It was a close fight despite all you people saying it wasn't, otherwise there wouldn't be this whole mess. Multiple leg kicks can't win you a fight unless you make them count and follow them up.
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close call
I also think Shogun appeared to have won. Yet, I think we were all so shocked to see Machida getting hit, that it was easy to give Rua the rounds for that reason alone. Machida was landing solid head shots...just paying in the legs and body to do so. Close fight. Rua deserved to win it by virtue of strategy, and Machida deserved to lose for not throwing more. I dont think it was fixed though.
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bunch of haterz cause Machida is unbeatable, bring on Lesnar and Fedor next
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it was nice to see Rampage act like a true warrior.
I guess once you come to the UFC you lose all sense of honor and just believe the hype that the UFC creates around you.
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this is how a true warrior reacts when he knows he has been beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9p1wNJnXWA&feature=channel
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By the way....
How much is the play station 3?
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How can you land less strikes, run away, get beat up and still win.
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Fights are judged on:
1. Octagon Control ( Machida was almost constantly backing away)
2. Aggressiveness ( Rua was in the middle of the octagon pushing forward)
3 Grappling ( Debatable for both)
4. Striking ( 82 Rua -42 Machida as scored by fightmetrics, which is not 100% but close)
I don't see how people can see how Machida was more aggressive or how he could have possibly maintained octagon control. Machida landed less strikes, did less damage, and looked defeated. Just look at their faces after the fight... Shogun is fine, Machida is ravaged.
Don't sit here and argue , SEND AN EMAIL TO THE CSAC respectfully demanding an investigation into the judging.
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how the hell has nelson hamilton called machida winning the fourth.
There should be a committee that they should have to explain they're scoring to.
I personally thought:-
round 1 - Rua - Edged the round
round 2 - Toss up ?
round 3 - Machida - Dominated this round
round 4 - Rua - DOMINATED THIS ROUND
round 5 - Rua - jusged edged it although I can see it going the other way.
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4thRound: Machida 10-9
Ha Ha Ha...
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joe rogan look so stoned
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it was a fukkin close ass fight quit whinning bitches.
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you dont need to beat a champ to becom one one need to defend the belt at list one time to be a true champ.guys says in their comments thet shogan needed to do more well im a big dragon fun and he deffently lost this fight i think thet shogan is no match for machida the champ was not redy for shogan and thet is why he lost the juges scored what ever they wanted to see befor the fight started as anyone alse.in the rematch shogan is gona get killed.
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I don't see how Machida won the first round.. Sho gun should of won this but im not complaining.. i won 5 bucks!
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had harder hits machida had his share of flurries . the 3rd round i gave to machida because of his flurry the last minute... 4th was close but shogun had that i think. and the 5th for sure was shougun.. It was a good fight i probably would have given it to shogun too but i can understand how it was swayed towards machida.. also if you watch the fight without the commentary you'll see that the first 2 rounds were really close . I feel like joe rogan and the other guy was so surprised how good shogun was doing that they didnt really comment on what machida was doing .. IMO
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Watch it again - without sound !!!
All you guys that think Rua should watch the fight again without sound and form your own opinion . Rogan and Goldberg did a bad job and was bias. You will notice that Machida never got hurt and actually chased Rua acouple of times.
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**** that you gotta beat a champion to be a champion mentally BULLSHIT! Shogun won clearly. Machida is not a champion and everyone knows it. He knocked out Rashad. Rashad never defended his belt...that doesn't make him a champion b/c you gotta defend the belt! If he never defended the belt that doesn't make him a champion thus Machida never beat a champion. ****ing retards.
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**** YOU ALL MACHIDA FANS ......SHOGUN RULES
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for all you stupid people who think machida won, i mean, being technical with your sentences and all that, bullshit!!! he cant even do his stance right after 3 rounds. the guy got outstruck and outclassed, yes he hit shogun but he did it very rarely. shogun threw more strikes and landed more.. try and tally the strikes of shogun and compare them to machidas..
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3 months ago
lol what the ****.
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The only definites were that Machida stole the 3rd, and Rua won the 4th and 5th. So the judging was that bad as they got that right. Just bad luck for Rua that the frist 2 rounds went almost unanimously to Machida when most agree that Rua probably won them by a tiny margin.
Nelson Hamilton should be shot for giving Machida the 4th though. No round was more lopsided than the 4th. Machida landed nothing.
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Rick Flair, of fake fighting fame, commonly used the catch phrase "To be the man, you gotta beat the man." Rick Flair is a professional wrestler, not an MMA judge.
To be the champion, you have to win a fight. Period.
Nelson Hamilton's giving the fourth round to Machida is a laughable joke. I can only assume he forgot this was MMA and not the WWE, where "champion's advantage" means something.
Machida is a great fighter and ambassador for the sport. However, he should have lost. Shogun was robbed.
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Score Card
Draw 10-10
Rua 10-9
Rua 10-9
Rua 10-9
Rua 10-9
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RUA WON
This was Bisping vs Hamill 2. How can you land more, more effectively and be moving forward the whole time while your opponent keeps shrinking and still loose. It does not take a genius to figure out that Shogun won at least the last four rounds.
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Is This Sugar Ray vs Hagler? No
Is this Sugar Ray vs Hagler? No, Machida did not flurry he fled and he was broken at the end of that fight. He could not wait for it to be over. He lost at least four rounds. At the end of the fight he did not lift his hands till he saw Rua raise his. Also as little as Goldberg knows he knew Machida needed a KO. Rogan knew that Rua would get robbed he kept saying you dont know what the judges will do. But being loyal to the UFC would not say Rua won. Rua is back and with patience he will be what Silva is to the 185lb division very soon!
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turn off the volume machida won on points Shogun had knuckel prints on his head and purple brusing Minutes after the fight every time shogun kicked he got punched joe and cockboy just didnt seem to see it ..........the dude is fukin to fast
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got it right
Although Rua may have landed more blows over all, it was Machida that had more flurries. Rua landed most of his punches and kickes in the last two rounds in which he won. If this was PRIDE, Rua would of won because he landed more punches and kicks for the whole fight. But this is the UFC and you judge per round, not over all, like in PRIDE.
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RUA ONLY LEG KICKS NO MIX MACHIDA WAS MIXING FIGHT MMA
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2nd worst decision in UFC history
This fight reminded me so much of the Bisping vs Hamill fight. Rua just like Hamill was the controlled and dominated the fight. Bisping ran from Hamill like a scared kid and looked like his will was broken. Machida just like Bisping was broken and wanted the fight to be over because they did not have an answer for the punishment they were recieving. Rua after the fight knew he won throwing his hands up and running around. Machida was like I better do what he is doing so I Might have a chance. Rua got robbed just like Hamill did. I was so upset after the Hamill fight I quit ordering PAY PER VIEWS and almost quit watching the UfC altogether. Both Rua and Hamill handled it with so much class it made me even more upset for them, but what matters most is I saw Rua and Hamill break there opponents will and I know who won.Look at what all Rua came back from to win at least four rounds from a guy who had not lost one. Rua is back and I believe we are about to see the Rua era like we did the Silva era. If Rua has patience like that and can explode at anytime and destroy you. I believe he will get the belt and keep it very soon.
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sorry but i gotta agree with the judges. the only round i didnt watch was the 5th and by then i had the bout scord 3-1 machida anyway. Shogun didnt rele do much harm, couple punches landed, which was blown way outta proportion becuz machida is "untouchable". If machida didnt have that rep i bet more pple would agree with the judges. the problem is it was a very even fight. and i admit up until close to the end of the 2nd round, i thought rua won it until machida unleashed. but i think it was a fair decision
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I like machida but he shouldve given the belt to rua for his own dignity
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1st round : machida 10 -9
2st round : rua 10-9
3st round : machida 10-9
4st round : rua 10-9
5st round : rua 10-9
final : SHOGUN 48 - 47 MACHIDA.
plus for the ones who say you got to beat the champ to become the champ! this isnt boxing! and the term beat dosent mean KO , you could see the look and face on machida at the final rounds and see rua beat machida.
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3 months ago
Stevie Wonder scored the fight for Machida also.
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Wow, I love how people are spell checking and writing complete essays now that there is a little competition for a PS3.....interesting.
That aside, I agree with ricci (above) Rogan was clearly swinging toward Rua. Not that he was necessarily wrong, but he surely has created some biases in the minds of viewers. I happen to think that the first round was too close to call. Therefore, we have a draw....in a non-title fight. In a title fight, the challenger needs to knock the king off the hill....not just give the king a bloody lip. Win: Machida
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THe fight sucked on both sides but common people.. how can you defeat a champ with leg kicks?!?
I mean like he threw leg kicks but no combos with it.. Rogan and Goldberg are soo bias with shogun.. he kicks him even lightly and their like oh shogun this shogun that...
Machida gave him punches and he did combos on him.. I gave Machida 3 Rounds..
you need to dominate to get the belt.. not just single leg kicks..
I dont know how ppl say he got robbed.. maybe if it was a non title then he got robbed..
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not enough to be the champion
In a non title fight ...Rua wouldvde won but he didn't impress enough to be the champion. After watching the fight without Joe Rogan's bullshi...comments I thought it was difficult to decide who won. For the benefit of the doubt .....the judges gave the fight to Machida who at times if he had hit harder he could've knocked out Rua. Rua controlled the fight with muay tai kicks but was not danger for Machida .
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Smart
I already watched the fight 3 times with no volume and scored as follows:
1 rd: 10-9 machida
2 rd: 10-9 machida
3 rd: 10-9 machida
4 rd: 10-9 rua
5 rd: 10-9 rua
final 48-47
Shogun strategy was NOT enough to win
No takedowns from Rua
Rua's got to BEAT the champ to BE the champion!
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Its true im not a fan of anyone but MMA but the legs kicks looked cool from Rua but sorry. The user above said it right. Two counter punches for the kick plus NO TAKE DOWN from Rua. When you try and try to take down but can't that gives the other guy big points! Rua didnt have enough to win it but was strikeing hard!
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The right decision was made and the correct scoring was given. Shogun was his toughest challenge yet, but Machida was clearly not beaten. You want to know what it looks like when you beat the champ, watch the Machida fight vs. Evans again.
That's how you become the champ.
Watch Silva vs. Franklin again.
Watch Lessner vs. Cotoure again.
Watch Fedor vs. Noguiera again.
Any more questions?
You don't become the champ by trying to squeak by a point in a decision, you've got to BEAT the champ to BE the champ.
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Looks good. The judges got it right. You fools complaining need to watch the fight without the volume (in other words without the shogun-nut-sucking commentators talking about the kick shogun just landed and forgetting to mention that he took two punches to the face trying to land it). Then you'll understand why they scored it the way they did.
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^^^ you can't score a round 10-10... it's a winner must be awarded 10.. and the loser below that..
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3 months ago
^^ I didn't even bother reading that, sorry.^^
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3 months ago
Don't matter cause tito is gonna come back and beat them all!
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first off shogun is my favourite fighter been watchin him 4 about 6 years now!.. so let me know if my opinion is bias!...
i scored:
1 rd: 10-9 rua
2 rd: 10-9 machida
3 rd: 10-10
4 rd: rua
5 rd: rua
in my estimation 3 clear round for shogun arguably 4... shogun was more agressive and was landing just as effective and even more affective.... machidas backing has the argument he landed the more sustainable shots... rounds 2 yes... any other time in the fight NO!...
shogun moved forward most of the time and was patient and aggressive wen he needed to be. his game plan worked perfectly..
So why not the win??... i've heard alot of ppl including machida saying you have to beat the champ to be the champ....
so shogun wins 3 clear rounds maybe 4... lyoto gets 1, 2 if hes lucky its clear for every1 to see...
another thing on the beating a champ to be the champ... lets look back at the last LHW title match that went to decision. Forrest Griffin Vs. Rampage Jackson...
rampage scored a knocked down the the 1st which was a pretty even round up until then which would make it a 10-8 round. rampage maybe scrapped another round but clearly was outclassed. so why when shogun doesnt get knocked down an is just as and maybe more decisive than forrest was against rampage does he not get the decision.
just to let you guys know Nelson Hamilton (My new worst enemy) was also judging that fight...
SO MR. HAMILTON ARE WE NOT VERY CONSISTANT... ARE WE GETTING A LITTLE CAUGHT UP IN THE FIGHT RATHER THAN JUDGING EFFICIENTLY LIKE YOU DID AT THE GRIFFIN RAMPAGE BOUT!!...
back to the fight, as rounds went on Machida look more shakey more in consistant ... more tired... and less confident. Mean while Shogun does exactly the oposite... confidence grows... still in great shaped... attacking and sticking to the legs and body!...
round 5 comes around and Joe and Mike Goldberg talk about how Machida might be in desperation mode!!.. how ever much we like to hate commentary they are usually right in were the drift of the fight is going!! Shogun continues to land leg kicks, body kicks... and in a late exchange a left elbow right hook combo which clearly shook Machida! Round plays out with no big events....
Final bell sounds!...
SHOGUNS HAND FLY UP HE CHEERS IN JOY HIS CORNER RUN AND PICK HIM UP AS HES DONE IT!!... THEY BELIEVE AND KNOW SHOGUNN HAS WON THIS FIGHT!!!...
MEANWHILE MACHIDA TAKE 1 OR 2 STEPS SEES SHOGUN RAISE HIS HAND AND DOES THE SAME WITH HIS HEAD DOWN... HAND GO DOWN QUICKLY AND HIS CORNER STROLLS IN TRYING TO INSTALL CONFIDENCE BY TRYING TO RAISE HIS HAND WHICH LYOTO DRAGS AWAY FROM!...
Im jumpin with joy at home 100 percent shogun has it!... soon as buffer announces unanimous decision i drop to my knees in joy only to hear Lyoto Machida name called and too see the suprise on machidas face and the disbelief on Ruas!..
Bottom line is anyone with half a clue about MMA would award shogun the decision and i'd be sat here with a huge smile on my face...
so how did the three stoodges ring side not see it!...
final word... Mauricio Shogun Rua should have left the staples center with the LHW title, talk of a rematch have been looming and i think it will happen. How can Machida be happy so i would think he'd want a rematch.
Bottom line there shouldn't be a rematch beacuse Shogun won that fight, and has to prove himself again to the dicks at ringside when he shoud be defending the title agaianst someone else.
THE REMATCH SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING BECAUSE THE DECISION NEVER SHOULD OF HAPPENED!
- told you i was bias.... can you tell im pissed HAHA
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i dont like the decision but machida won on paper so lets move on styles make matches and shogun probably cant beat some of the people machida beat
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guy above me, i sort of agree with u. machida didnt look himself in the fight. im all for shogun ,he's my favourite fighter but he shouldv capitalised on several opportunites, machida's slip for example and when shogun seemed to have machida rocked when machida fell into the cage. shoguns best performance in a long time, he definatly won the fight, more aggression by a long shot and definatly inflicted more damage than he recieved. the 10 point must system in messed up however, i wouldv scored the first round even. it'll be interesting to see how people potray machida now, people will definatly not seem his as the untouchable unbeatable fighter anymore, he showed flaws and showed that counter fighters panic when chaos is inflicted upon them. a rematch has to happen. i dont think it will be until 2010 now however, so many big fights coming up and not to mention training camps having to be done etc.
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i can guarantee the next fight we will see a much better Lyoto and he will finish Shogun
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Huge Lyoto fan (have been since before most people had ever heard of him) but he knows he didn't win. When Rogan stuck the mic in his face, Lyoto said he'd "try again"... But you can't blame Lyoto or the UFC, they didn't score the fight, and they didn't pick the judges. Those judges should be declared legally retarded, and qualify for handicapped parking,
The rematch will be interesting though, because Lyoto won't stand around getting low-kicked for 5 rounds. He did get the better of the couple major exchanges, I think in the rematch he'll be completely different. He'll be the aggressor. And he'll win.
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Two of the three judges had Rua winning the last two rounds, and I agree with them. So as the fight ended, that's what we remember. Not the super close first and second rounds that could easily of gone either way, or the third that definitely went to Machida. It's easy to see how Machida could have legitimately won this fight and how the way that it ended could have made it look like Rua won. Not to mention a good 75% of the people watching were probably drinking like it was Monday Night Football. Either way, both fighters should have tried to finish the fight instead of leaving it to the judges. A rematch is DEFINITELY in order.
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well we all know none pf these guys will judge the rematch
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bullshit shogun won that fight i could see machida winning the 3rd round and maybe the second but anything more than that is bull **** the judges
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Dirrell got robbed in similar fashion against Froch too...and I like Froch....
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Shogun was clearly going forward all the fight ,was the aggressor,it was his octagon,he landed more ,wasn't hurt,and Machida wasn't elusive but clearly ran away and around. Rua tried to make it explode,but runaway bride lyoto was running as fast as hussain Bolt..The only thing he did well is the takedown defense,but that don't make you win or a champion, He knows he has lost ,i used to like both fighters,but the judges make me go for Rua 100%
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Lyoto is gonna have to drink an extra cup of piss for the rematch
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I agree with you fully dude above....that is like saying that you don't need to be trhe best person to be champion!!!!>??? DUHH!!! This type of irrationality deserves no place in a sport of proud, disciplined warriors who deserve the titles their hard work puts in.
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LYOTO IS GOING TO WIN AGAIN AND AGAIN !!!
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3 months ago
this is bullshit, fight is fight and the champion in fair play battle should have the same chanches and rights what the challenger, if not this fight is not fair. So talking like you have to beat champion really bad to win the belt is like telling that champion have some points before the fight even starts.
this is not fair. this is ridiciolous.
WHY CHAMPION AFTER WORSE PERFORMANCE THAN CHALLENGER SHOULD KEEP THE BELT??
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3 months ago
This is what happens when you mix judging and crack
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i scored the fight like cecil peoples did as well. that technically means machida won that fight, even tho he really didnt. its the scoring system. the one judge who scored round 4 to machida was an idiot tho. still, change that round to rua and machida still wins by split decision.
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Whenever asked if he felt he won the fight Machida refered to the judges scores. He was totally dodging the fact that he thought he lost the fight. He looked very surprised when they called his name.
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I had it scored the exact same way that Peoples did.
Listen, if you're going to take someone's title, you have to actual "Beat" them, not try to outpoint them with leg kicks.
Granted, Machida didn't do too much either, but he was Never in trouble and he landed the more effective strikes, especially with his hands. He also stuffed every take down attempt with ease.
Bottom line: It really wasn't a very exciting fight. Look at the proof, it was a 5 round Championship fight, and wasn't even declared "Fight of the Night."
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Who "technically" won doesn't really matter... Shogun won and we all know that... its still bullshit though..
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3 months ago
I tell you... the judges had money on Machida..
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3 months ago
Unbelieveable, you could see it in Machida face he was beaten. Shogun fought a great fight against Machida's style of fighting. Shogun is the LIGHT HEAVY WIEGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD. We all know it and Machida's knows it too!!!!!!!!!1
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3 months ago
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This money sucking pathetic shell used to be the greatest organization in MMA. As soon as the cash started rolling, they sold out. Its almost sickening how much like a hybrid of WWE and Boxing this is starting to become. Thanks for ruining the best show in town dickwad!
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Dana King, I mean White, oops
I'm going to photo shop DON KING'S hair and Dana's pasty fat head. You can't fool the world asshole!!! I don't know what those judges got paid, but that was the most "in your face" BULLSHIT FIX I've ever seen. Shame FATBOY....SHAME!!!!
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3 months ago
but i dont know, i dont know
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Machida knows very well that he lost that fight....
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3 months ago
****ing blind ass judges
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are they ****ing retarded????
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3 months ago
Well at least there is a bit of consistancy in the scores.
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3 months ago
i hope the rematch is not another hit and run fight and that they both just bang it out
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